Tue, 29 December 2015
This week, we travel to ancient Egypt and try to win over the big guy, the Pharaoh, with dice. Favor of the Pharaoh,by Tom Lehmann and Bezier Games, is a re-implementation and re-theme of To Court the King. We liked the first version well enough, are were excited to see what Tom came up with. Spoiler--we all thought it was fabulous. We loved all the options available to randomize each game. We loved the custom dice, the pool building, and the bonus tokens. The quality components and free randomization app make this game top notch. We recommend everyone in the Nation give it a try.
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Tue, 22 December 2015
In this weeks podcast, we travel to the ancient Japanese Imperial court, were the Emperor has entrusted us to care for his bamboo garden--home of a giant panda bear, the symbol of peace.
Add in some dice rolling, territory building, farming, tile placement and some killer panda bear minis and you have Takenoko. Come for the high-quality/cute components--stay for the solid game play, or vice versa.
We cover both Takenoko and the expansion Takenoko: Chibis, which add a Miss Panda figure, baby panda disks, and new tiles and cards.
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Tue, 15 December 2015
Surviving on a deep space mining expedition on Titan is hard enough without Nathan always trying to kill you. Sure he's infected, but he doesn't have to be such a jerk about it. Join Meeple Nation as we dissect another hidden role gem like Shadows over Camelot and Battle Star Galactica. In fact, Dark Moon originated from a homebrew game called BSG Express, based on the game, Battle Star Galactica . So how does Dark Moon hold up? Well, the shields are damaged, life support is failing, and Nathan has a stupid grin on his face. Listen to find out what happens next. |
Tue, 8 December 2015
This week we continue our discussion of November gaming, concentrating on Brent's report of BGG.con in Dallas. He talks about his work in the game library, hot games, Codenames LARP, the Puzzle Hunt, Poker Tournament and Game Show. He also explains his experience with Ponzi Scheme, Fische, Flupen, Frikadelen, Fresh Fish, and Rattlebones.
Direct download: MN_0086_November_Gaming_-_Report_from_BGGCon.mp3
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Tue, 1 December 2015
In this week's and next week's podcast, we cover the ins, outs, and triumphs of our recent foray into three gaming events. Meeple Nation (mostly Brent) and the Northern Utah Gaming Guild (again mostly Brent) helped organize and run an Extra Life event to raise money for Primary Children's Hospital. We raised just over $1400 over the 24 hour event. And we gamed. Hard. Among the many games played among the 60+ attendees, we discuss the plays of Ghostbusters, Codenames, Dead of Winter, The Game, Pathfinder, and many others.
At one point, Pandemic Legacy and T.I.M.E Stories were set up next to each other, and they had to play so as not to spoil info for the other table. Leave it to Ryan to walk up and blab secrets all over the place. Ryan needs to keep his mouth shut!
The next week Brent was away but Nathan and Ryan visited the International Games Day at the Library.
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Tue, 24 November 2015
This episode we offer up advice during this gift giving season. Here are our suggestions. Let us know what you suggest! Party Games
General Games
Gamer Gift
Stocking Stuffers
Kids Games
What we hope to get for Christmas Nathan
Ryan
Brent
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Tue, 17 November 2015
This week we discuss a deckbuilder initially released on 2009 from Rio Grande Games. Nathan has embraced and enjoyed this game with his 20 plays so far. 1-5 players compete for scarce resources and they try to build the biggest tribe. Brent's along for the ride and Ryan is a bit hesitant based on theme and some blind selection gameplay. Let us know what you think. |
Tue, 10 November 2015
We interview Richard and Emily Gibbs about their game company which makes accessories and kits to make games blind accessible. Support their Kickstarter at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64ouncegames/braille-rpg-dice-from-64-oz-games Visit their store at http://store.64ouncegames.com/
Direct download: MN_0082_Richard_and_Emily_Gibbs_from_64_Ounce_Games.mp3
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Tue, 3 November 2015
These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. With dice. Lots of beautiful dice. Yellow, blue, and the unfortunate red-shirt 6-sided dice. In this podcast, we delve into this light dice fest. We all enjoyed the theme, each player taking a role of a bridge crew member from the Original Series or The Next Generation with a unique ability to help overcome the challenges. This game is easy to learn, easy to play, offers a variable challenge level, and allows players to join in at any point in the game, while playing up to 7 players. Nathan added the game to his "family game list" which he'll bring out often. Brent enjoyed his first play. Ryan felt a little burnout after 6 plays, but admits that there will be times with certain group dynamics where this game will fit perfectly.
Direct download: MN_0081_Star_Trek_-_Five_Year_Mission.mp3
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Tue, 27 October 2015
In this podcast, we discuss the awesome games that are currently hitting our game tables including Arctic Scavengers, Legendary Encounters: A Predator Deckbuilding Game, Liar's Dice, Space Alert, and Machi Koro: Millionaires Row. We also give an update at the goals we set at the first of the year, and we learn that Ryan is a bad friend. We end by covering our anticipated games including T.I.M.E Stories, The 7th Continent, Gloomhaven, and Pandemic Legacy.
Direct download: MN_0080_Catching_Up_with_Meeple_Nation.mp3
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Tue, 20 October 2015
This week we discuss board games with a horror theme that would make for an excellent time at your next Halloween party. The games discussed range from King Of Tokyo and Betrayal at House on the Hill to Gloom and Mansions of Madness to Midnight Party and Ghosts!. Ryan details his dream Halloween Party including plans to play Mysterium in costume, with atmospheric candles, playing up the seance. Apparently, Brent and Nathan aren't getting an invite. These are the games we discussed. Let us know your favorite Halloween Game! Ghosts! |
Tue, 13 October 2015
Tile Placement games are a little too prolific to cover in a single cast, so we limited the games we cover to tile placement games where you are connecting lines from tile to tile. The games discussed include Street Car, Metro, Tongiaki, Fresh Fish, Tsuro and Tsuro of the Seas. |
Tue, 6 October 2015
Ninja Ghosts and Killer Plants of Cthulhu don't measure up to the Alien Shapeshifters who took home the prize. We discuss Smash Up by Paul Peterson. In Smash Up, you combine two factions into one deck and compete for the majority at several locations that offer victory points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place in power when the total power reached the locations breaking point. This game, and the rulebook, offer plenty of humor, great art, and a sense of discovery as you learn how your two factions interact, create synergy and win points. In addition to the base game, we cover the expansions Awesome Level 9000, The Obligatory Cthulhu set, and Science Fiction Double Feature. |
Tue, 29 September 2015
We discuss Specter Ops by Emerson Matsuuchi and Plaid Hat Games. In this deduction game, you play as Hunters guarding a secret base or as the Agent sent in to discover the secrets. The Agent tracks her moves in secret and the other players try to locate and kill the agent using unique player powers and a cool car. This is similar the Scotland Yard in game play, but in a nifty scifi universe. |
Tue, 22 September 2015
Party Games
This week we talk Party Games. First we speculate on what defines a party game. Honestly, who knows? Should it play more than 6? Should it involve teams? Should it be 'light'? Then we talk about our favorite party games, why they count, and why we find them outstanding. We talk Codenames, Spyfall, Times Up!, Ca$h 'n Guns, Wits & Wagers, Liar's Dice, Game of Things, and Two Rooms and a Boom! Brent reports on his visit to Saint George Board Game Convention. http://stgcon.org
We also mention the International Gamers Awards, which you can find at http://internationalgamersaward.net
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Tue, 15 September 2015
We finally review Dominion, the granddaddy of all deckbuilders. Brent and Nathan highly enjoy this new classic and have collected every expansion. We talk about Dominion's legacy and how the expanstion bloat nearly make the game unplayable. Brent discusses his storage solution. Nathan is soon going to have less money is his pocket, recreating said solution. Ryan, though, finds the games' theme lacking and the gameplay repetitious and often lacking in, well, fun. It's 2 to 1 though, so listen as we break down Dominion and expansions, including the newest expansion: Adventures.
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Tue, 8 September 2015
We talk with Mike Adams, a NUGG member, friend, and color-blind gamer about the challenges of being color blind at the gaming table. Mike is Red/Green color blind, which means he cannot see red and green colors, including the red and green that are mixed with other colors. He has a hard time distinguishing purples and blue because of the missing red within purple. He also says distinguishing between yellow-green and yellow can be tough.
Although you can probably guess how this makes gaming difficult, we let Mike explain how it effects his enjoyment of games and his strategies for minimizing the difficulties.
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Tue, 1 September 2015
We talk with Avonelle Wing from Double Exposure about the services they provide for Game Companies, Stores, Conventions, volunteers, and gamers. We encountered the Envoy heralds at SaltCon where they taught players new games at the con, including games in the Play-to-win program. The Envoy website is: http://dexposure.com/
The Double Exposure website is at: www.dexposure/com/home.
Aspiring game designers and folks planning kickstarters should look into Metatopia. (google it. check out Ryan Macklin's post. it's my fave.)
twitter is: @dexenvoy, @de_gaming, and @avonelle
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Tue, 25 August 2015
This week we talk about Viceroy, which is designed by Yuri Zhuravlev and produced by Mayday Games and Hobby World. Viceroy is a board game of bidding and resource management set in the world ofBerserk, a Russian collectible card game. This is a beautiful and colorful collection of cards and bits with excellent artwork. The theme is stretched a bit as the characters provide fairly generic powers depending on where they are placed in your pyramid, including more resources, cards, or tokens for scoring, which is bit of a point salad.
We all enjoyed the game, though Ryan is a bit disgruntled at the way Brent and Nathan "taught" him the game, thoroughly whooping him, locking him out of resources, and gloating in their towering pyramid at his expense.
It was a tough first play.
The tagline on the box says "Build Your Pyramid of Power!" and like a elaborate stack of cheerleaders, you must stack the character cards bought at auction in the most beneficial way possible.
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Tue, 18 August 2015
From camp #GenCant, we talk about the latest buzz from GenCon, which was two weeks prior to this podcast's release. It was all brand new to us as we recorded and gushed about new games. We hit the old favorites: Imperial Assault, Firefly, and Legendary. We also hit on new games, such as Blood Rage, Ashes: Rise of the Phoenixborn, Codenames, Mysterium, Star Wars Carcassonne and Champions of Midgard, among many others.
We also talk Nathan into spending more money for our own enjoyment. Not that that's hard.
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Tue, 11 August 2015
With guest host Dennis Holliday, we discuss the world of Kickstarter, focusing mostly on board games, of course. Dennis has backed over 60 projects and Brent even more. Both seasoned Kickstarter veterans discuss their experiences and joys of this crowdfunding experience. Both are positive and express that the good out way any negative experience that occur.
Ryan, on the other hand, expresses his paranoia and criticism of Kickstarter, speculating that it allows creatures the opportunity to skip steps in the creative process and produce inferior products to what might have been. Ryan might be overthinking it.
Nathan jumps on board, backing his first project!
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Tue, 4 August 2015
Designer: Mike Fitzgerald
Publisher: Eagle/Gryphon Games
Players: 1-4
Ages: 10+
Play Time: 45-60 min
In this episode, we discuss how Baseball Highlights: 2045 is not a baseball simulation, but instead a tight, mechanics oriented deckbuilder, which focuses on the 'highlights' of a game of a baseball game. You don't need to like baseball to enjoy this game, and if you absolutely hate baseball, you could still really like this game.
Ryan gushes about the cyberpunky art where the robots are trash cans with a bat for a single arm and steam coming out the top. We talk about how the game has a specific flow to the game play that takes some time to get in to, but when you do, the game plays really well. The flow is different with 3 players and is slightly more challenging to slip into. Baseball Highlights also works great for tournament play.
We also talk about the various expansions including the Coach, Rally Cap, Magna Glove, Robot Hitters, and Cyborg Pitcher expansions.
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Tue, 28 July 2015
This week we revisit the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game. We are joined by our friend, Dennis Holliday, and we talk about the second and third base games, Skull and Shackles & Wrath of the Righteous. Pathfinder Adventure Card Game is a cooperative game Ages: 13 and up Players: 1-4 (up to 6 with expansion) Time: 60-90 minutes Publisher: Paizo Publishing Designers: Chad Brown, Mike Selinker, Tanis O'Connor, Paul Peterson, Liz Spain, Gabby Weidling We previously reviewed the base set in 2014 on our fourth podcast, http://meeplenation.com/podcast/mn-podcast-0004-pathfinder-adventure-card-game-rise-of-the-runelords/
Direct download: MN_0067_Pathfinder_Adventure_Card_Game_-_Revisited.mp3
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Tue, 21 July 2015
This episode we review: Betrayal at House on the Hill Publisher: Avalon Hill Year Published: 2004 Edition: 2nd Designer: Bruce Glassco Ages: 12+ Time: 60 minutes Player Count: 3-6
Direct download: MN_0066_Betrayal_at_House_on_the_Hill.mp3
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Tue, 14 July 2015
In this episode we talk about games we have already reviewed and the expansions we hope to see soon. We also talk about new games we anticipate. We cover
Direct download: MN_0065_Looking_Back_and_Looking_Forward.mp3
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Tue, 7 July 2015
This week we review Castles of Mad King Luwdig. Designer: Ted Alspach Publisher: Bezier Games Time: 30-90 minutes Ages: 13+ |
Tue, 30 June 2015
Colt Express is a program movement game for 2-6 players that plays in 40 minutes, ages 10 and up. It is played on a three dimensional train, as players take the roles of competing bandits, trying to get the best haul without encountering the sheriff. |
Tue, 23 June 2015
This week we talk about the game Werewolf, originally designed as Mafia as part of a psychology experiment. We focus our talks on Ultimate Werewolf, a set of cards from Bezier Games. |
Tue, 16 June 2015
This episode we review Star Wars: Imperial Assault, a game based on Fantasy Flight's Descent series of games. Released in 2014 Players: 2-5 Time: 60-150 minutes Ages: 14 and up This game can be played as a two player head to head skirmish or with one player controlling the imperial side while 1-4 players control 2-4 heroes as they try to complete objectives and level up their characters. |
Tue, 9 June 2015
What is theme? What is narration? Do they compete with each other? We discuss Theme and Narration and a few games as we explore this topic. Games include: Dominion Dixit Mysterium Duel of Ages |
Tue, 2 June 2015
Legendary Encounters Upper Deck Ages 17 and up Around 60 minutes 1-5 players
Direct download: MN_0059_Legendary_Encounters_An_Alien_Deck_Building_Game.mp3
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Thu, 28 May 2015
Ben Hillyard of Daedalus speaks with us at SaltCON 2015 Daedalus makes inserts designed to quickly start games. These inserts store the game in the original box but can be pulled out and opened to set up the game. http://daedalusproductionsinc.com Some of the games they have built these inserts for are
You can use their Design It tab to request inserts for your favorite games.
Direct download: MN_0058_Ben_Hillyard_of_Daedalus_Productions.mp3
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Tue, 26 May 2015
We discuss
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Thu, 21 May 2015
In this episode we speak with new designer and game company owner, John Ogilvie, about his games Bejinx and Skwozen. Bejinx is a game add-on that enhances most any game, adding a little bit more chaos and another level of game. Skwozen is a card set which takes a traditional set of playing cards and adds eight symbols to each of the square cards. Rules exist for many popular public domain games.
Direct download: MN_0056_John_Ogilvie_talks_Bejinx_and_Skwozen.mp3
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Tue, 19 May 2015
On May the 4th we sat down and recorded this Star Wars specific podcast, reminisced about the movies, the good the bad, the Gungans, and then talked about Gaming in the Star Wars Universe. We talk about the following games:
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Tue, 12 May 2015
This episode we speak with Blake and Curtis, designers of the block stacking game, Kubeni. This game can be played with 2-8 players. Each set contains 20 blocks a custom die, a timer, and a set of cards. Playtime is 10 minutes or less per player. www.kubeni.com
Direct download: MN_0054_Blake_and_Curtis_talk_Kubeni.mp3
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Tue, 5 May 2015
Deus was designed by Sébastien Dujardin. It looks like it scales well from 2-4 players in 45-60 minutes. Ages 14 and up. Some direct interaction as players compete to expand across a hex based map. |
Tue, 28 April 2015
Seth Jaffee is a game designer and developer best known for the game Eminent Domain. In this episode he discusses the game and the upcoming Exotica expansion. Eminent Domain is for 2-4 players (up to five with the Escalation expansion) in 45-60 minutes. You can find Seth at http://sedjtroll.blogspot.com
Direct download: Seth_Jaffee_talks_Eminent_Domain_and_more.mp3
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Thu, 23 April 2015
Star Realms is a game for 2 player. It plays in 20 minutes. Ages 12 and up. Designed by Rob Dougherty and Darwin Kastle.
Direct download: MN_0051_Star_Realms_with_live_playthrough.mp3
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Tue, 21 April 2015
In this episode we discuss Gamer Snobbery, terms such as Eurogame and Ameritrash, and why Brent doesn't like the term Filler. We also do a third of the way review of our 2015 gaming goals. How are you doing with yours?
Direct download: MN_0050_Gamer_Snobs_in_a_Growing_Hobby.mp3
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Tue, 14 April 2015
Michael Coe of Gamelyn Games talks about his three Tiny Epic Games:
Direct download: MN_0049_Michael_Coe_of_Gamelyn_Games.mp3
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Tue, 7 April 2015
Machi Koro is a card and dice game from IDW and Pandasaurus Games for 2-4 players in 30 minutes. Ages 8 and up. The Harbor expansion adds a 5th player but can extend the game past an hour.
Direct download: MN_0048_Machi_Koro__Machi_Koro_Harbor.mp3
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Tue, 31 March 2015
SaltCON 2015 took place in Layton Utah on March 12-14, 2015.
Next year the convention will be March 3-5, 2016 at the same location.
Visit their website at http://saltcon.com
Direct download: MN_0047_SaltCON_Organizers_at_SaltCON_2015.mp3
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Thu, 26 March 2015
In our first episode from SaltCON 2015 we talk with Rick and Joanne Soued about their history, creation of Funagain Games, aquisition of Eagle Games, and creation of Gryphon Games. Rick spends much of the interview telling us about many of the current games available through their company including Tumblin-Dice, Through the Ages, Baseball Highlights 2045, and many more. We greatly enjoyed the time we spent with Rick and Joanne and hope to spend more time playing Eagle-Gryphon Games.
Direct download: MN_0046_Rick_and_Joanne_Soued_of_Eagle-Gryphon_Games.mp3
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Tue, 24 March 2015
In this episode we introduce the SaltCON interviews which we plan to release across the next six or seven weeks. Some weeks we will release two episodes. We are saddened to report that the podcast recorded live during the Saturday panel was lost. We discuss the games we played at SaltCON including Deus, Colt Express, Witness, Baseball Highlights 2045, Ultimate Werewolf, and Two Rooms and a Boom. We talk about future releases Orphan Black Card Game, Abyss Expansion - Black Pearl, Legendary Encounters: Predator, Seafall, and Pandemic Legacy. Finally we report our contest results. Thanks to Mayday Games for their support of Meeple Nation!
Direct download: MN_0045_SaltCON_2015_Special_Report.mp3
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Tue, 17 March 2015
This week we review the 2009 release Thunderstone, and what is considered by many to be its improvement, the 2012 released Thunderstone Advance. This game is for 2-5 players ages 12 and up, in about 60 minutes, which might include setup. There are solo rules in some of the rulebooks. We focus a bit on the Thunderstone Advance: Numanera set, which is based in the Numanera world created by Monte Cook. Let us know what you think!
Direct download: MN_0044_Thunderstone_and_Thunderstone_Advance.mp3
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Tue, 10 March 2015
Beowulf the Legend was released in 2005 for 2-5 players (the more the better). It plays in an hours and was designed by Reiner Knizia. Join Beowulf as he embarks on his epic journey to defeat Grendel, the Sea Hag and the Dragon. Work to aquire the most fame so that you can become Beowulf's successor. |
Tue, 3 March 2015
This episode we talk about seven pirate games (in addition to bringing up Corsari again). We start out with a short mention of Ghostbusters the Board Game and Cuao. Then we dive into these seven pirate games:
Finally, a contest from our friends at Mayday Games. Visit our Facebook Page or listen to the podcast for more details.
Direct download: MN_0042_Light_Pirate_Games_and_Contest.mp3
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Fri, 27 February 2015
This week we are releasing a second episode, an interview with Chris Urinko of Daft Concepts, makers of board game accessories. We talk about kickstarter, their current project, Custom Miniatures and Tokens for your RPG and Tabletop Games. Chris also talks about his experience with the Board Game Designer Guild of Utah and gives advice to new Board Game Designers. He codesigned the game, Hold Your Breath. Kickstarter Project: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/732415737/laser-etched-miniatures-for-table-top-games-and-rp Website: http://daftconcepts.com Email: info@daftconcepts.com Twitter: @battlejack, @daftconcepts |
Tue, 24 February 2015
During this month of love (February 2015) we turn our hearts to two-player games. We discuss
Nathan also laments his inability to keep up with Living Card Games and figure based games such as X-Wings. We also discuss three games that at least one of us (Ryan) considers best with 2, even if they play more.
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Tue, 17 February 2015
Kingsport Festival is steeped in art and lore from the Cthulhu Mythos. In the game you summon one or more of the Outer Gods or their minions in order to increase in Evil, Death or Destruction. The game is similar to Kingsburg but offers unique play. The game is for 2-5 players in about 60-75 minutes. Ages 13 and up. |
Tue, 10 February 2015
An interview with Michael Mindes of Tasty Minstrel Games.
Direct download: MN_0038_Interview_with_Michael_Mindes_of_Tasty_Minstrel_Games.mp3
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Tue, 3 February 2015
In this episode we discuss the Roll for the Galaxy game, for 2-5 players in 45 minutes or less. Fun for all! |
Tue, 27 January 2015
This week we hear a report from Brent on BryceCon 2015, gaming convention with family, and food. We briefly discuss Castles of Mad King Ludwig, Timeline, Dead Man's Draw, Coconuts and Roll for the Galaxy. After this report Brent talks with Rob Hicks of Midnight Campaign. Then he interviews Gail and Gary Tanner, founders of BryceCon. |
Tue, 20 January 2015
In this episode we have a bit of feedback, discuss Splendor again for a few minutes (they fixed the colorblind issue), and then dive into the six racing games we discuss this episode: Hare and Tortoise, Roborally, Fearsome Floors, Cartagena, Formula De, and Snow Tails. |
Tue, 13 January 2015
This is a hot release from late 2014 where 2-5 players work together to complete a common goal and each player works on an individual goal. But is one of you a Betrayer? Recommended by all three hosts. |
Tue, 6 January 2015
In this episode we review Brent's 2014 gaming goals: 1. Play 40 games 10 times 2. Play Twilight Imperium with Brian 3. Play Monopoly 4. Play More Games with my Kids
We then discuss the benefits of playing a game multiple times.
Then we dive into our 2015 gaming goals
Brent 1. Play Dominion at least 43 times. 2. Play Games at least 25 times with my kids. 3. Attend 3 game conventions/trade shows. 4. Make 12 videos - likely games played at least 10 times. 5. Play 10 games 10 times. 6. Significantly organize at least five games with better inserts and getting started sheets.
Nathan 1. Play Starfarers of Catan at least once. 2. Play at least 40 games with my kids. 3. Play 10 new games with my family. 4. Play 10 games 10 times. 5. Play 20 new games this year. 6. Play 20 games within my collection that I haven't played for at least a year.
Ryan 1. Play Hanabi and get a perfect score. 2. Find Accessible Games I can play with my blind daughter and my other kids. 3. Thrift 10 gems (games I want to add to my collection). 4. Travel 10 times this year to my friends house to play games. |